Talk:Ordinary Time

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Liturgical year

Does anyone fancy working on WikiProject Christian liturgical year? Gareth Hughes 10:59, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

That Wikiproject appears to have been merged to WikiProject Holidays. Andrewa 11:14, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Has anyone got an example of an actual year where there is only 33 weeks of Ordinary Time (not including Christ the King)? 81.105.60.35 18:53, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

According to http://divinity.library.vanderbilt.edu/lectionary/CPentecost/index.htm , there's no Proper 4 (10) this year (2007); Is that because there are only 33 Sundays of Ordinary Time? Andrewa 11:17, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know about Ordinary Time in 2007. For that year, I found April 8 for Easter, 4 Sundays After Epiphany, 26 Sundays After Pentecost, and Dec. 2 for start of Advent. Carlm0405 (talk) 19:30, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Check this year (2025). In Catholic missal of 1962 & earlier, I find 5 Sundays After Epiphany and 24 Sundays After Pentecost. 6th Sunday After Epiphany is missing, used neither in after-Epiphany nor in "resumed" form in after-Pentecost. Carlm0405 (talk) 19:03, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think Christ The King, in Vatican II missal, IS part of Ordinary Time; it is last Sunday before Advent. (1962 & earlier missals: Christ The King was last Sunday of October, and its Mass outranked a Sunday After Pentecost.) Carlm0405 (talk) 19:10, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Would it be necessary to create a page for each Sunday in ordinary time? --T.M.M. Dowd (talk) 19:57, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Predominantly Catholic

Just chiming in here... is it me, or does this (and the article on the liturgical year, if not others) article seem to be incredibly Roman-Catholic-heavy? Can we balance this out with some terminology or facts from other Christian denominations? 216.164.160.153 (talk) 16:51, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article is extrememly Catholic, probably because the liturgical calender of Western Christianity is most heavily and strictly celebrated in the Catholic Church. I agree, however, since I know that Anglican parishes, as well as many Lutheran, Presbyterian, and Methodist parishes, also observe the liturgical calender and celebrate the different holy seasons. --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 14:35, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, is OT ever used outside of the Roman Catholic Church? The Protestant denominations I'm familiar with celebrate separate seasons of Epiphany and Pentecost. There is an unreferenced claim that Anglicans begin Ordinary Time after Candlemas, which indeed seems to have something to do with the numbering of propers, but I've never heard this called OT. Btw, the lead should make it clear that OT has only existed since Advent of 1969, as article and this one do. Sparafucil (talk) 22:57, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to add that to the opening of the article. --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 03:53, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Anglicans, Lutherans, Methodists and many other Protestants observe it. I am Catholic, but my mother is Lutheran and during her service they say "such and such sunday during Ordinary time" as well as wearing Green vestiments (the color for ordinary time). I use to attend a United Methodist church with friends, and they also observed it and green vestiments were worn by their ministers during ordinary time, changing to red during Advent, purple for Lent, White for Penetecoast, etc. --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 00:25, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Link for Methodism & Ordinary Time: Ordinary Time & Other Holy Seasons. --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 00:29, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Link for Lutheranism & Ordinary Time (read under Numbering system for the time after Pentecost) Revised Common Lectionary --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 00:34, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Link for Anglicanism & Ordinary Time Communion & Holy Seasons-Lectionary --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 00:38, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Link for Presbyterianism & Ordinary Time Presbyterian Church & Ordinary Time --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 00:43, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dates

This is a complete and confusing mess, I cannot even make sense of it without bouncing back and forth between pages. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 20:59, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

original research

very useful article, but no references. eg the section Weeks in a year. The only references given simply describe the years. Does the author of this text really mean simply to say that "according to Fr Just SJ" a week is often dropped? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 02:46, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Number of Sundays -- this is listed in last paragraph

I find "The total number of Sundays varies according to the date of Easter and can range anything from 18 to 23." When does this season run? I am familiar with the number of Sundays After Pentecost, varying between 23 and 28 inclusive, and counting the Sundays between Pentecost and Advent. Advent starts on 4th Sunday before Dec. 25.

Baptism of Jesus not in Ordinary Time

one of the references has

"The Baptism of the Lord is usually on the Sunday after Epiphany. But if Epiphany is celebrated on Sunday, Jan. 7 or 8, the the Baptism of the Lord is the following Monday, and "Ordinary Time" begins that Tuesday." Carlm0405 (talk) 18:38, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

1962 and earlier missals (Catholic) -- comparing to Vatican II

OK, you refer to Sundays After Epiphany and Sundays After Pentecost, using terms of missal of 1962 and earlier. I do not see reference to pre-Lenten season (Septuagesima, Sexagesima, Quinquagesima), which doesn't exist in Vatican II missal (those Sundays, omitting the names I just used, are added to Ordinary Time). Also, the week which starts on Pentecost is treated in Vatican II missal as part of Ordinary Time; 1962 & earlier has this week as part of Paschaltime.

OK, we have 34 (or 33) weeks of Ordinary Time. In 1962 & earlier missals, Sundays After Epiphany and Sundays After Pentecost added up to 30 (or 29). Carlm0405 (talk) 18:58, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]